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Focusing on all of those things and making sure you’re doing those to the best of your ability. I can’t really tangibly pinpoint what the impact will be, but that case in point is it will have an impact. You just don’t know what it will be yet. If you can control the things that you can control, then it’s like all the other variables.

You’re as prepared as you can possibly be for that, I guess I’d say. Welcome to Revenue Insights. Every week, we’ll be joined by revenue leaders from some of the most successful and highest growing companies.

Together, we explore how they built their revenue teams, the journeys that they’ve been on, and the lessons they’ve learned along the way. Revenue Insights is brought to you by Epstim. We’re a revenue intelligence platform designed to help revenue teams to build more pipeline, close more deals, and retain more customers. Hello there. You’re listening to Revenue Insights. Today I’m picking the brains of Christian Demare.

He’s the Director of Revenue Operations and Strategy over at Wix. He’s been spearheading strategic and revenue generating initiatives across all teams over the past few years. So Christian, I’m interested to learn a little bit more about what you’ve been up to. Welcome.

Yeah, well, thanks for having me.

What have I been up to?

That’s a very good question.

So we, right now, we kind of, Wix obviously has this huge user base of, I think it’s around 300 million or something along those lines. So what’s cool at Wix is we’re able to gather a lot of data on our users once they log into the platform.

And within that, it offers us a lot of different, almost too many sometimes, ways to target our users to A, get them to adopt certain products that we’ve developed. We have a whole suite of hundreds of products. And in addition, generate revenue. So there’s multiple ways to generate revenue at Wix, one of which is just purchasing different premium plans and getting people to subscribe every year.

Once we have a business premium, we have all these different kinds of premiums. That’s one way to generate revenue. But a big way to generate revenue for us also is our payments tool. So getting people hooked on that, so when they’re processing above a certain level, we’ll take a certain percent.

And it’s just like, it gets the stickiness of the user in terms of their usage and getting them to stay with Wix for as long as possible. It just increases that. So that’s always kind of our goal, but it manifests itself in a lot of different ways. So we’ll have, we have account management teams who work with partners specifically, who build websites for other users.

And then we also have customer success managers who manage individual users. Let’s say I run a business and I built my site myself sort of on Wix, or I hired a customer developer to do very little work independently and then I run it basically.

We also have an account management for those users where it’s like they don’t necessarily have always a developer background, but we’re able to help them maximize their sites, like lower abandoned carts and all of these things to help grow their business, run Facebook ad campaigns, right?

Which is another thing that we do that sees a very specific, okay, I put in a lot of money, I put in this much money and this is my return on ad spend. So we have multiple iterations of all of these teams. We’ve had pure sales teams that like, yeah, they sell Facebook ad campaigns, they sell branded app, kind of like where we develop an app for a specific company.

Ascend, which is sort of like our version of a CRM. But then we also have, we’ve worked with teams in the past that are really trying to get brand new users to Wix to like purchase certain premiums, get them ready in their relevant vertical.

So if they’re like a bookings and fitness user, or if there’s like a new store, we really want to help them set up and then get them to use Wix payments because A, it’s much easier for them and it’s a great product. There’s a lot of benefits to using Wix payments.

But for us, it also just helps us like really maximize the potential of their site and their business and help us grow.

I think that was one of the main things that was really cool about working at Wix during COVID is that like we really, not to get sentimental about it, but we really helped a lot of these brick and mortar businesses that needed to survive in a certain way that didn’t necessarily have a huge online presence.

We helped them migrate their business to the web basically and be able to help maximize, even sometimes grow their business during a time where most businesses were really struggling. So it was really kind of, not to be like too cliche about it, but it was like you tangibly felt the impact of what you’re working on and what you’re doing.

Sometimes a lot of that can get lost in the sauce when you’re just building Salesforce automations or KPIs and reporting and tracking and projection, whatever it might be. But that was something that’s really rewarding and is always kind of rewarding. What I’ve really loved about Wix is like, it’s all about the users at the end of the day and getting them to be successful.

And that’s why we have feature requests that like a lot of our account managers are gathering so that we can put those into the product roadmaps that we can help make everything better all the time and improve. And I think, yeah, so that’s in a nutshell what I’m working on.

We also have a new point of sale product, which is very exciting, that integrates directly into people’s Wix sites and it’s a seamless sort of ecosystem for stores and events users and all of these different things.

So yeah, it’s nice. And we sort of talked about this before, where Wix is great in that it is a big company. It has the sort of a lot of resources that big companies can provide, but it’s also able to harness this sort of startup environment where it’s relatively lean. It’s very like in terms of starting new initiatives.

There’s always room for like the best idea can win out, which I really like. And they’re not afraid to try new and exciting things, which I think is a testament to why they’re successful ultimately at the end of the day. So yeah. I appreciate all of the context and there’s probably two bits that I want to take away from that.

What I actually really like is that, I can’t think of a better word for it, but the more emotional side to it, where a lot of the times in revenue operations is data and you’re looking at numbers and charts and graphs.

But ultimately, what we’re here to do is to create a better experience and to generate more revenue for the business and actually getting the satisfaction of the user actually getting value from the end of it. So I just wanted to reiterate that point.

And then the thread that I really want to follow is actually the point that you mentioned at the end, which is a fairly big business at this stage, but still has that startup style feel to it. So for the listeners at home, I’d love for you to perhaps add a bit more color around the revenue operations team.

So how is it just you?

I think there’s quite a number of you, right?

And then a bit more information on how you work with the different teams within Wix. Yeah. So we have a pretty, I wouldn’t say gigantic revenue operations team, but it is like there are probably about 10 to 12 of us, I think. And it contains like, everyone sort of like owns certain teams.

So like there is with our partnerships that we have with different like web development agencies, one person sort of owns all of that. We sort of work with large scale businesses who buy the premiums that I mentioned before. They buy those in bulk and they sort of resell those to their end users as well. We have somebody who owns all of that.

Like I sort of own a bit more of us working with individual users, like I kind of mentioned, who aren’t necessarily being supported by a partner or a developer constantly. Within that realm, I sort of work on all of those things. We have a couple of other products that we sell that like there’s, again, a person who owns that. And we have like some enablements.

I think systems enablement is really kind of huge in that at certain companies, like sales enablement will encompass all of that. It will encompass like, okay, just coaching how to be on a phone, how to keep the conversation going, deal with any objections, things like that.

But with us, we actually have someone specifically oriented to like this systems part of that where it’s like, okay, CRM, any of your activity, logging, any of your automations that maybe aren’t working, what do you need to do?

How do you use Salesforce to optimize your day and really like waste as little time as possible so that we can ultimately serve our end user as best we can, which is always the goal. We don’t want our reps to have to, or even our directors or managers, anyone to have to be doing admin work and wasting their time with that. So that’s kind of like the through line, obviously.

But yeah, so it’s kind of all over the place. And I will say that like I’ve kind of dabbled in, we’ve all kind of know everything about everything ultimately at the end of the day, but it does help to have that like, this is your area of expertise and there’s oversight, obviously. But I think that that’s really helpful.

And it allows you to like, instead of doing a lot of things mediocre to like do really focus and own something like top to bottom, it provides a lot of great opportunities for growth and just like optimization in general.

Yeah, absolutely. And on that last point, it reminded me of a guest that I had on a couple of weeks back, Lorena Morales, who was talking about with her team, particularly with an economic downturn on the horizon, she was encouraging her team to actually expand their skill set. Don’t just focus on the one area that you’re specialized in. Be open minded. Learn different areas.

You don’t have to be an expert in all things, but actually having that wider awareness of what’s happening in the business, particularly in revenue operations, where your role typically is obviously spreading across different teams in different areas makes a huge amount of sense.

And so in your specific area with those individual users, what would you say has been probably the biggest challenge that you’ve faced over the past 12 months that you’ve been trying and either succeeding or still trying to overcome?

Yeah. So I think what I sort of… We mentioned this a little bit before we started in our conversation, but want to just bubble up again is like, because there are so many different opportunities to help our users maximize their business, it also means we have different teams for all of these different initiatives or they all have different roles, but it’s ultimately the same user at the end of the day.

So our goal is to get everyone to be a top user, right?

Where they’re like top 300 sites at Wix in terms of processing, in terms of site visits in terms of time on all of these different things. We want to grow everyone’s business to be as successful as possible. And to do that, there’s so many different checks and balances along the way and so many different teams that can help that person.

It’s not like we’re going to account manage them immediately and have weekly meetings with them to check in on site performance or things like that when they’re a brand new user and just setting up their site.

But in terms of a revenue operations standpoint, we want to help guide that user from the very top of the funnel all the way to the bottom of when they’re a brand new user, we want to help them get online as quickly as possible, get ready as quickly as possible, start processing as quickly as possible, increase visits to their site by maybe running Facebook ad campaigns.

But even within that, in terms of like that seems like a very specific funnel, but we have like different teams for each part of that. We have a team that helps brand new users.

And then we have another team that would like in the past would help sort of like grow and streamline them, which is like running Facebook ad campaigns, maybe setting up a send or a CRM to really kind of help cultivate your customer base and keep that growing in a different way.

And then like if we can grow them to a certain point, then we’ll start to like manage them to a degree of like offering them a somebody who can always be a resource for them to help add specific products, maximize what they already have help with site edits, any bugs, things like that, that come up along their journey.

So in, let’s say, Salesforce, you already have even within the customer journey of the first year, you already have like three or four different teams that might want to be reaching out with them, meeting with them. And every team has their own outreach funnel and their own KPIs, but it’s like the same user.

So I developed this thing that we sort of said when they become because everyone’s a customer at the end of the day already, which is that’s the difficult part.

So it’s like when like looking at a CRM and looking at like leads and accounts, when does something become an account?

Like, is it always an account?

Because it’s already a customer even before you really like get in touch with them. So we kind of had been working leads. And every time you hand it off to a new team, until you like make it a managed account, it’ll just stay as a lead. But then you like reset it back to being new.

And then you’re like, okay, did we reach out to this person?

Did we connect with this person?

Did we have a meeting with this person?

Did we close with this person?

Whatever. So I developed this thing in Salesforce that’s like, it’s basically a, it’s like an object that updates dynamically. So it gives you like a current snapshot of what’s happening on the lead.

And then every time you like reassign it to a new team, that object will stop updating dynamically and will just keep like a history record of when this team owned this lead, they moved it to like a discovery held stage or they were able to have a meeting and then that, you know, they weren’t able to ultimately sell the business premium because of XYZ. But that’s all trapped in there.

And it’ll say like, this is how many calls they made. This is how many emails they made. This is how many replies they got all within this thing. So that when we reassign it the lead and we, we set it all the way back to new again, then that there will be a new snapshot that will start to actively dynamically update.

And you’ll be able to see, because sometimes, and this is, this is the difficult part is like sometimes you’ll need to send like variable comp or some sort of goal KPI analysis by the end of a month, but that lead will already have needed to be reached out by another team to help them in the next part of the process of their journey.

So it’s like, you can’t really run a report because that team doesn’t even own like the user anymore and it’s being managed by somebody else, but you need to have it within such a short period of time. So that’s where like that part of it of having multiple different funnels for multiple different teams on the same user, sometimes simultaneously has been really difficult.

But I think we came up with a rather elegant solution and it was a lot of work, but that’s been really difficult.

Like, it’s exciting, obviously, that there are so many opportunities and we do have so many tangible ways to help our users and partners grow. But from like a tracking KPI automation standpoint, it makes it super difficult.

So you just, and I think the thing about Wix is because everything’s happening so quickly, you’re kind of, it’s not like you can plan it out for three months in advance and build it with your dev and like painstakingly set it up and then launch it. It’s like you kind of, the very Wix way to put it is like you’re building the plane as you’re flying it sort of.

And so that’s been, I’d say, the biggest challenge. But I think we did okay with it.

Yeah, it rings true on many levels, actually. There were two bits that kind of came to my mind as you were talking about it. On the one side, it reminded me, you know, the structure of how things work reminded me a lot of. I was listening to another podcast regarding Duolingo, so the app where you can learn languages.

And they very much run in a very similar way of having different teams looking at different areas of the product to help to improve it.

Now, granted, your guys’ model is a little bit different to that. What was so interesting about that is you’re looking at different areas. But obviously, what stood out to me is you have this unique challenge where you have people ultimately having a relationship with that user or with that account coming into it at different times. And it’s the having visibility of that, which is so difficult.

It stands out for me a lot because it’s something that, like in-house, we’ve been helping customers as well on a slightly different scale where we work with businesses that have accounts where at any one time that user might be having 20 to 30 conversations with our customer.

And so, it’s on a more granular level of terms. When you move a deal, perhaps they go from being a prospect into being a customer.

When they get to that stage, it’s, okay, what conversations have been had?

What’s actually been happening?

What’s the state of play?

And you end up wasting so much time trying to catch up with things.

The meetings go into the calendar and it’s like, oh my God, it’s what?

So actually, I completely am on board with the pain that you guys were having and I’m also on board with the solution for it as well because it makes such a huge difference.

Oh, 100%. And it’s like, I should send you. I built a flow of like, there’s lead distribution, but then redistribution. And there’s so many different triggers and it can go to so many different teams that it’s like, it’s literally endless with the amount of triggers we had and teams it could go to and when do we hold something versus let it go.

And yeah, that’s what I love about it. There’s always such insane kind of needs that you need to figure out a solution for and then being able to backtrack from there, I just find it fascinating and always exciting, especially once you solve it.

Yeah, exactly. Right. It’s such a common trait I find with revenue operations people is a real love for solving problems. And so let me flip this to something that you talked about earlier, the satisfaction that you felt from during a COVID time is helping businesses when they needed to pivot. COVID was the time when it literally almost the switch flipped at that point.

And we’re obviously entering slash in an interesting period now of like economic downturn.

And I’m curious to know from your perspective and in your role, is that having an impact on how you’re planning things going into 2023?

Are there any initiatives that you’re running to be able to help customers who are inevitably going to be preparing for that?

Yeah, I think like, I mean, it’s tough because it’s like, how do you even prepare for something like that?

I think we have always kind of been working in like seasonality to with a lot of our customers or things like that where it’s like, there are gaps. And there are times in which you’re maybe not going to be making money or you need to figure out ways in which to kind of what I talked about before help cultivate your existing customers but find new customers as well.

So like, I think relying on some of those tools that I talked about of like, really helping people with ascend, which is our CRM and running marketing campaigns and like rewards programs, coupons, discounts, all of this stuff, like, you know, membership parts of your existing customer base, but like growing it, like, that’s a huge part of it.

And then then kind of like I said, to like targeted Facebook ad campaigns, and even SEO strategy is such a huge thing that a lot of our success managers are able to provide and come up with a specific strategy of like, okay, how can I maximize when somebody is going on to Google and searching, I want to be in every search that could possibly come up and the tags that we put in and everything that we’re doing strategy wise, I want to be the first thing that comes up because it’s like, that’s the difference.

Ultimately at the end of the day between you know, you making money or not, and even just like one customer, you know, the extrapolation from your impact, and that’s kind of like what we try and try and say is like, every customer matters and every customer counts at the end of the day and for our end users too of like, you don’t know what the impact of even just the simplest thing of like being number two on Google versus being number one, what that can mean.

And if you can hook somebody and even just get them to your sites, which we spend so much time, like just getting them to the site is such a huge thing too. So it’s a bit about focusing on all those other intangibles as well, which is like part of it.

But then yeah, at the end of the day, you’re kind of when it comes to like commerce and businesses and all these different things, like we, you are reactive to whatever’s happening in the world. Sometimes when something terrible is happening in the world, like a pandemic, we can provide a really great like guiding light for a lot of people in a way.

But then there are other intangible things that you just can’t plan for. So you just focus on the things you can control and really do that to the best of your ability. And I think that’s you asked me sort of before this too, like what was one sort of book that I would recommend or that I really like. And this actually ties in really well with this book. I don’t know.

Maybe it’s a cliche answer and people have already brought it up, but the book is called The Power of Habit. I don’t know if you’ve ever read it. It’s really great. There’s one example specifically that comes to mind in that it just sort of goes through different instances in which habit, for better or worse, like led to, it goes through the science of habits just in general.

But the thing that I’m thinking about is there’s this example of I think the company is called Alcoa. They had some sort of accident and they brought in a new CEO because the market capitalization was like in the tank and he decided to focus instead of being like, let’s change everything, grow the company, make it profitable, whatever. He decided to basically focus on a keystone habit or one element to everything.

And by focusing on that one element, which was safety protocols, making Alcoa the safest possible company that it could be.

By doing that and setting up standards and practices around safety and making sure everyone can follow protocol, it just had this impact of it automatically made people be much more communicative, much more responsive to following protocol, being collaborative, being in communication constantly with their coworkers and different departments and all these different things.

But just by focusing on one little keystone, it actually permeated into the entire business in a way that made the market capitalization grow and made it more profitable and helped the company really become successful in the way that it wanted to. And that’s what I found fascinating and ties back into my point of when you know there’s like an impending downturn or recession or whatever.

It’s like, yeah, focusing on all of those things and making sure you’re doing those to the best of your ability. I can’t really tangibly pinpoint what the impact will be, but that case in point is it will have an impact. You just don’t know what it will be yet. And if you can control the things that you can control, then it’s like all the other variables.

You’re as prepared as you can possibly be for that, I guess I’d say. Yeah.

So really, the line that I was writing down from what you’ve just shared was focusing on what you control, right?

Because I think it’s a really valuable point with not just revenue operations in mind and excellent book recommendation. You’ve stolen the last question off my tongue before we even get there, but I love it. And it’s a great book as well and would recommend it to listeners.

But it’s a great point on actually focusing on only the things that you actually can have an influence over because there’s so many different variables that it can become very easy to lose focus on and to get distracted by. And actually, it’s amazing the impact that it can have by focusing on the things that actually you can impact.

So I’ve just been speaking to another guest in Mois who was talking about from a sales process perspective, actually focusing on what are actually your reps doing?

In that example, it’s reps who have a preference for sending emails rather than jumping on the phone, right?

In a revenue operations perspective, it’s looking at the numbers and going, okay, how much of this can I actually have an influence over and how much of it is very much out of my control?

And it’s a really interesting point that I kind of want to tail this and move it in the direction of something that we were talking about pre-show.

And one of the questions I wanted to ask you was, how do you work with the teams that you’re working with?

Because often I find one of the challenges within revenue operations is you got all of this data and you were talking about the flow chart. I’d actually love to see it because I think it would blow my mind, even just you describing it.

And so often it’s the challenge of being able to communicate through what is, I feel like an immense level of understanding down to the people that are ultimately on the front line and putting it into a language that ultimately they’re going to be able to understand.

Because as much as you or I might be able to understand that massive flow chart or the chart or the graph, actually translating it through to them is a real challenge.

So how do you do it?

Yeah. So I’ll say too that I, and I think not like the best rev ops people have some sort of background in sales, but I did work very briefly in my career as like an SDR AE. So I have kind of come from that side to the operations side, which is always helpful.

And I think even if you don’t have that experience, a great way to do that, which is something that we constantly do is like just shadowing reps. Because I think reps will bring feedback to their managers or like we have a service desk also where they bubble up like bugs or issues that they’re having.

Sometimes it’s just specific like, oh, I can’t log in to my sales loft or whatever tool we’re using at the time. So like a lot of it just gets filtered because it’s going to a manager, it’s going to a director, it’s going to whoever and then it finds our way to us and we’re doing like large scale projects sometimes or sometimes small scale reports. So things can slip through the cracks.

So that’s where we do work with the TLs and managers, but I do think something that’s invaluable first of all is shadowing, is like seeing what reps are doing on a day to day basis and even asking their TLs like, okay, what is your prototypical rep?

Like what are they the most successful version of somebody on your team?

What should they be doing?

And every TL will probably give you a different answer of like, some will want something very structured and like they come in every morning and they log into, you know, Salesforce, HubSpot, whatever and this pops up on their homepage and it’s like, these are the list of things that they need to do tasks and they need to like reach out to these people they haven’t talked to in a while and these are follow-ups, these are like admin things they need to do, really lay it out for them.

And others are like, might be, oh, I want people to find their own creative solutions and they can do whatever they want and we kind of have to work within both of those realms because we have, oh, that’s only two examples, there’s probably 500.

And I think the benefit that we have also is we have a systems enablement person, but we also work with the sales enablement people and like the learning and development teams very closely to know like, okay, we might make some build a tool for them or create an automation in Salesforce, but like if they don’t A, know it exists or B, really know how to maximize it, then A, we’re not helping them be as efficient as possible, but B, then it’s like, it’s all for naught at the end of the day, like we’re pouring our time and energy and resources into something that like, is it really landing or is it really aligning with what they need at the end of the day?

And so that’s a huge part of it.

I think enablement, if you have that to really lean on them, just from an information standpoint of like, where are the gaps and how can we address it and is it a communication thing or is it like we need to build more tools and help cultivate an environment that’s a little bit easier to use because I know CRMs in general can be a little clunky and it’s like trying to shove a round peg into a square hole at times.

And so, yeah, really being in communication, I find with reps is very helpful to just kind of know on the front lines a bit of what your perceived impact is, is actually being used and being received because it’s like, we talk about our customers at the end of the day, but RevOps customers are the teams themselves and like our end users from RevOps standpoint are the reps at the end of the day and are the managers and the TLs and the directors and all these people.

So we owe it to our stakeholders, our customers to like really understand them and it’s the same thing. If we don’t like, if a salesperson doesn’t get on the call with their prospect or whoever they’re trying to manage or sell to or whatever help, they’re not going to have any information and the same goes for us.

Like if we don’t talk to our end users, our stakeholders, our customers, especially the reps I find, yeah, you’re only going to have, like I said, your perceived impact versus your actual impact at the end of the day. You made a really interesting point and I’m seeing more of a trend of operations very much working hand in hand alongside enablement teams.

And one of the things that I wanted to ask you kind of coming into this chat was I know looking at your, or certainly digging into your LinkedIn, one of your roles has been very much bringing in new technology.

And I’m curious, say for example, you’re perhaps bringing in a new piece of tech now, are you working alongside your enablement teams to ensure they’re getting the maximum value out of it because certainly coming from a software sales background, I know for us, you’ll be selling into like one, two, three people, but we inevitably have 20 plus users of it.

And it’s all well and good getting a new toolbox, but it’s like, okay, what on earth do I do?

It’s this wrench, right?

How do I actually get value out of it?

So for you guys, what’s it like?

So I think, I mean, usually now when you’re on importing a new item into your tech stack, it’s like that company will hold a training and will hold their version of like a Q&A session, a walkthrough of the product, whatever, which is always going to be helpful.

But yeah, it’s like the looking at the usage specifically. So we always, and this is learning from past experience, even if it’s like a tool that we’re home, like it’s homegrown and we’re building it in Salesforce, before it’s even launched, like how are ways that we can build things to track specifically, like are people using it and is it successful, I think is huge.

So I know it’s kind of intangibly talking about a hypothetical, but I think that’s such a huge part of it and sometimes depending on the tool, it will have that inherently built in. But I think like, not to relate it back to what I just said, but like the perceived impact of something versus the actual impact or the perceived usage of it versus the actual usage.

It is helpful to talk to like reps and get feedback, but having like hard data criteria of like, let’s say it’s a lead sourcing tool, really knowing that you can track specifically, like let’s say it’s, I don’t really know what it would be, but like it involves you going on LinkedIn and sourcing it yourself, knowing like this is how many closes this month came from this specific tool, using this specific tool or whatever, or knowing that like our ability to connect with this user, like it came from this phone number that we were able to get from this tool.

So that justifies the existence of this tool and it means that people are using this tool. Like that’s just an example, but I think that’s so huge is like going into even implementing something new is it’s like, how can we, because there’s an approval process at Wix, as I’m sure at any company to get funds for new tools.

And it’s like, you really have to justify that money to have a new contract with them or even grow a contract.

So we, you know, there’s, there’s marketing automation a lot of the times that like sends out emails. So anytime you can relate specific goals and KPIs to those campaigns or to those emails being sent, that’s huge because then it justifies the existence of that tool. It justifies even growing headcount for usage of that tool or growing the contract or whatever, going into implementing something into a tax deck.

I think that’s so huge and will ultimately allow you or afford you the ability to add more stuff. Because if you’re always thinking that way, then you’re always able to know if something is justified or not.

Hopefully every time you do implement something new, it proves to be successful and you are able to like, the KPIs that you’re tracking are good because sometimes they won’t be and that’s just sometimes par for the course.

But yeah, that that’s always especially learning from experience, I would say is paramount in what we really focus on or what I try to focus on.

Yeah, absolutely.

Christian, it’s probably about time for us now. It’s been absolutely fantastic to have you on and to dig in a little more. I would love to see that flow chart if you could. I’ll describe it to you in the post that goes out with this. And also you mentioned Power of Habit, I believe by Charles Duhigg. That brings it over to Reddit.

We’ll include a link to that in the show notes as well.

And so just before we wrap up, for anyone listening at home that wants to follow you, learn a little bit more about what you’re doing, where can they find you?

You can find me on LinkedIn. I’m also on Twitter and Instagram. We talked about this briefly. I also have an MFA in acting, so I’m an actor too. You can find me on IMDB.

Just out here trying to make a living, you know?

We all follow different paths sometimes, simultaneously. And that’s kind of where I’m at right now.

But yeah, just very, very grateful to be working at Wix and have the team that I have and that you also invited me onto this podcast for this conversation. It was really good. So thank you. No problem at all. It’s been an absolute pleasure.

Well, thank you again, Christian, and to everyone that has listened to this one back at home. Thank you so much. Thanks for listening to Revenue Insights. If you want to learn more, subscribe to our newsletter and we’ll deliver every episode straight to your inbox. If you have any questions, feel free to connect with us on LinkedIn. Our links will be in the episode notes. See you next week.