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  • 00:25 – Jeremy’s career story
  • 08:20 – The Phenom team 18 months ago versus now
  • 11:07 – Achieving success through selling outcomes
  • 14:52 – Perfecting the art of discovery
  • 19:42 – Multi-threading versus single-threading deals
  • 23:52 – Onboarding the high-level executives
  • 28:27 – Approaching a more sustainable and predictive selling strategy
  • 32:19 – Increasing quota attainment across your sales team
  • 37:12 – The characteristics of top performers
  • 40:16 – Recommendations for development


Perfecting the Art of Discovery

The discovery part of the sales process is an art, and you need to nail it. Jeremy’s top advice for this is to forget your product and be curious. You need to identify and discover the problem and how it is impacting a business, then work on understanding their psychology around solving the problem. Once you have done this you can start to introduce your product into the discussions, before digging into the value, identifying the key influencers, and ultimately developing a plan. Ensuring you have a cohesive understanding of each step before moving onto the next ensures you will be driving a good quality cycle.

Multi-Threading Deals

Salespeople commonly struggle with managing more than a few contacts in a process, but the number of stakeholders involved has increased in recent years. Thus, it is important to learn how to engage and manage relationships with multiple stakeholders as part of the buying process. One key piece of advice that Jeremy shares is to establish credibility around your knowledge of the space, then people will naturally want to talk to you, but there are other tactical measures to take, as Jeremy shares in the episode.

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